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  • Let’s go back to the basics, shall we?  Sometimes we really need
    to start at the beginning in order to really piece things together.

    Though we have limited evidence of how everything began, we can make
    some logical guesses based on what we do have.  We do know that
    the universe is here, that our world was created , and that life
    somehow eventually sprung up.  None of us were there at the
    beginning, so none of us can know how
    it all started, but we always try to guess anyway.  I guess it is
    in our nature as human beings.  Some people take a logical,
    scientific approach by saying that the Big Bang and evolution are
    correct, some people take a philosophical/religious approach by saying
    that God created it, and some people mix the two.  Let’s explore
    these possibilities, and see where they lead us, employing the Socratic
    Method in our exploration.

    Let’s say that everything came about naturally, or as a result of a
    chance clashing together of two atoms.  All matter in the universe
    suddenly came into existence as a result, forming stars and
    planets.  On the planet third in the orbit of Sol, conditions were
    just right for life as we know it to develop, organic compounds started
    forming, and eventually they became sentient.  These sentient
    compunds gradually grew more and more complex organisms, eventually
    developing into animals, and these animals became more and more complex
    until some of them became human beings.  Through a gradual process
    of natural selection, where the weaker forms are weeded out because
    they are not capable of surviving in nature, intelligent beings
    eventually surface.  In analysis, we can see that this approach is
    indeed very logical and incorporates the knowledge we have gained as a
    species, and if you look at the rationale behind it, it makes
    sense.  Each succeeding step makes sense, granted you are willing
    to accept a plethora of coincidences as fact.  Opponents try to
    counter with their own science and logic to the contrary, but often it
    just comes down to ad hominem attacks: 
    “Well, it’s just stupid to think that we came from monkeys,” or “So I
    hear that you believe in the big gaseous belch,” or even “You just
    don’t want to believe in God.”  The rationale behind these
    arguments is that the idea is just so stupid that it is completely
    unbelievable, but it is coming from personal bias and incredulity,
    often as a result of indoctrination on some level, religious or
    not.  Opponents are not trying to be logical, they are just
    refusing to believe because they think it is absurd.  But just
    because an idea is absurd does not mean that it isn’t true.

    Now let’s explore the philosophical/religious approach to the beginning
    of the universe.  A common religious approach says that God
    created the universe and all of the life within it in six days
    (literally or figuratively, just give it a rest).  The intelligent
    designer created intelligent beings, and He set everything in motion so
    perfectly that it would work.  Some take this idea further, saying
    that the Creator took an active role in His Creation, which is where
    you get the concept of religion.  On a philosophical level, people
    try to resolve the meaning of life and try to balance order and
    chaos.  There has to be some meaning for life, and so we must have
    been put here for some reason.  Some break off and go the
    religious route, while some prefer to sit and ponder, using the power
    of the human mind to figure it out.  In analysis, we can see that
    while this approach may not be as logical as its counterpart, it does
    have its advantages, one of the key advantages being that since it is
    all based on the supernatural or the power of the mind, it is difficult
    to dispute.  This does not mean it is wrong; it just means that it
    cannot be proven (there is a difference).  Opponents always
    counter with logic and scientific fact, using it to say that a
    supernatural explanation makes no sense, and to say that philosophy is
    all built on the abstract and not the concrete.  Again, however,
    they tend to resort to ad hominem attacks: 
    “The idea of God is totally ludicrous,” “Religion is a crutch,” and
    even, “You just don’t want to accept proven scientific facts.”

    The commonality in both of these approaches is that they make some wild
    assumptions.  Often times scientists are too quick to settle on an
    answer when it comes to the origin of life, just because they are so
    eager to find the answer.  Based on limited amounts of evidence
    they will piece together a theory, and tout it as fact.  On the
    other hand, religious people assume that there is a God, which is a
    huge assumption all by itself, and philosophers assume that the
    questions of life can actually be answered.  The big assumption
    that both make is that they both think the other approach is completely
    absurd, and will not explore that approach because of their assumption.

    So how do we know what is true, and where do we go from there once we
    find it?  If we swallow the science/logic pill, then we have to
    accept all of the coincidences and imperfect evidence that comes along
    with it.  We have to also then accept that since life occurred as
    a result of chance, then it could cease just as easily as a result of
    chance, and our lives are utterly meaningless because everything is
    subject to chance.  If we swallow the philosophy/religion pill,
    then we have to accept the lack of logic and the purely
    hypothetical.  Life has some sort of meaning, but we have to
    accept the fact that this meaning is more than likely going to be
    completely subjective, and we also have to accept the fact that God
    might be watching us, not to mention the big afterlife question.  I suppose that we can try and mix the two,
    but then the hard part is determining what the proper balance is.

    I guess it just comes down to this one question:  what assumptions are you willing to make?

  • This has been a great book so far.  It talks about how this guy who was fully entrenched in the Christian life eventually came to the point where he no longer believed it.  He was a preacher and a missionary, and won many people over to Christianity (and now regrets it).  He talks about how he came to believe there was no God, and he talks about how to recover from a life of religious indoctrination.  He also talks about how to pick up and move on, to start your life over by making new friends/family and getting a new direction.  This book describes almost exactly what I am going through right now.

  • The Roman holiday of Saturnalia was always celebrated at the end of the
    year to Saturn, the god of farming.  This was one of the biggest
    festivals of the entire year, and many people from all over the empire
    celebrated it.  As part of the celebration, slaves and masters
    would temporarily swap roles, and they would give each other
    gifts.  When Christianity first started to develop, the Church
    wanted to have a celebration to counter the pagan holiday.  As a
    result, they started to celebrate the Christ mass exactly one week
    before the start of the new year, during Saturnalia.  Jesus was
    not born on this day; this is just the day they decided to celebrate
    his birth.  Some pagan traditions wove their way into it, which is
    why you have such things as giving gifts and decorating trees (which
    was a Germanic tradition, if I remember correctly) now.

    That is the real Christmas story.

  • Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal.

  • Yeah, baby!  We smacked those Raiders 31-17, in the Black Hole even!  And Buffalo spanked the Chiefs, meaning that at 7-2 we are now two games up on them and the Chargers, and four games up on Jokeland.  Sweet.  Too bad the Rams didn’t win, otherwise the day would have been perfect.


  • Look at me, my depth perception must be off again,
    Coz’ this hurts deeper than I thought it did,
    It has not healed with time…
    It just shot down my spine.
    You look so beautiful tonight,
    Remind me how you laid us down,
    And gently smiled,
    Before you destroyed my life…

    Would you find it in your heart,
    To make this go away,
    And let me rest in pieces?
    Would you find it in your heart,
    To make this go away,
    And let me rest in pieces?

    Look at me, my depth perception must be off again,
    You got much closer than I thought you did,
    I’m in your reach,
    You held me in your hands…

    But could you find it in your heart,
    To make this go away,
    And let me rest in pieces?
    Would you find it in your heart,
    To make this go away,
    And let me rest in pieces?

  • I think it’s about time I posted this, which will
    hopefully be the first in a series of posts dedicated to different
    religions/philosophies.  I decided I would focus on deism, which I
    have
    been thinking about a lot lately and currently agree with.  Since it is at the forefront of my study, I
    figured it only made sense to start with it. 
    Mind you this is my own analysis, and while I will attempt to be as fair
    and impartial as possible, some of this will still be opinion.

    Deism can loosely be defined as believing in God without
    also adhering to a religion.  Deists
    believe that some omnipotent being (God) must have created the universe, they
    just do not see any point for being religious in their approach toward
    God.  Some agree with evolution while
    others do not, some believe God takes a little bit of an active role in our
    world while some insist that God stayed out completely after Creation, and then
    some are more worshipful towards God than others.  However, although there are some differences in belief, there
    are, from what I have been able to tell, two basic types of deists.  There are some that are more of the
    universalist approach, saying that no religion that believes in God is
    technically wrong, yet they also say religion is not necessary to reach
    God.  There are also those that say the
    concept of religion itself is wrong, and therefore all religions are
    wrong.  No matter which camp they hail
    from, both have problems with religion and do not follow any religion, which
    means that deists from both sides can at times be hard-nosed and argumentative.

    There are many advantages to being a deist.  Probably the most notable advantage is that
    you do not have to adhere to any religion (or anything of the sort) besides
    just believing in God.  Another really
    important advantage is that you are free to respond to God in whatever way
    seems right to you.  Church is not
    necessary, nor is prayer (though no deist condemns you if you do pray).  Finally, you can think for yourself, using
    your logical mind and conscience to determine what is right and wrong.  You do not have to follow the rules and
    standards that somebody else says is right. 
    Plus, if your logical mind leads you away from deism, the response from
    the deists you are leaving is most likely going to be more positive than the
    response you would receive when trying to leave a religion.

    There are also, of course, disadvantages to following deism.  With the exception of agnosticism, deism is
    probably viewed as the most indecisive of all religious philosophies, because
    you are not taking a stand on anything except the existence of God.  Therefore, some people might think you have
    no backbone by following deism, insisting you should take more of a religious
    stand (not necessarily religion, mind you). 
    Perhaps this is another reason why some deists are extremely
    argumentative, because they want to prove that they are taking a stand.  There is also a possible eternal downside,
    because if ANY exclusive religion is correct (like Christianity), you could be
    condemned to suffer for eternity because you do not adhere to it.  Though some deists argue the existence of a
    Heaven, you will find very few deists who believe in Hell.

    Deism is a very logical approach to religious
    questions.  Similar to an agnostic,
    deists admit that they do not know the answer. 
    They may lean toward one answer, but they do not deny the possibility
    that they might be wrong on any question other than that of God’s
    existence.  Many people throughout
    history, including our nation’s founding fathers, were deists, not Christians
    (as is sometimes taught).

  • Joe, I did read most of that before I started skimming.  To keep from having a post of similar length to yours, I will just counter some of the main points.

    One of your major arguments was that deism is a religion, just one that encourages worship of self.  You have somewhat of a point, since you followed the technical definition of religion, but throughout history, what is considered religion has been defined by some sort of holy writing(s) talking about gods and what they have done.  Do you find any Christian that would consider somebody else a Christian if they don’t read, or even believe in the Bible?  Who cares if they are responding to God in a Christian way; they must believe the Bible.  The real working definition of any religion is adhering to the holy writings and worshipping God.  There is also, of course, the faith aspect, where you believe something to be true based on limited or no evidence.  I cannot find that logical, either.  Christians might be right.  I am not denying that, but Muslims may also be right, as may Buddhists and Hindus.  Is one of them right?  Are all of them right?  Are none of them right?  I don’t know.  Admitting that somebody else MIGHT be right does not equate me with saying somebody else IS right.  Just because I am open-minded doesn’t mean that I am admitting defeat.  What you seem to be advocating is that in order to be logical we must be completely closed-minded, because allowing for any margin for error is illogical.

    And taking a stand by saying we cannot know what the answer is is still taking a stand on something.  For example, is there life on other planets?  Using your logic, if I say that we cannot know, with the technology we have, whether there is life on other planets or not, then I have committed a logical fallacy.  Even if I believe that there is, and I have limited evidence to back my opinion, I cannot argue, because I admit that I might be wrong.  This is obviously hogwash.  Using your words (since you used mine), “if you say that there is a possibility that you could be wrong, then there is a chance someone else is right. Yet, you continue to argue that [you are] correct, even though it could be wrong (circular argument.) If you admit that [you] could be wrong, then your argument has no grounds. You can neither prove nor deny proof that your belief or lack of belief exists for a reason (another circular argument.) If someone else comes to you with no proof but wants to argue with you, then neither of you has an advantage because you have no proof, you’re arguing for the sake of argument. If someone comes to you and offers proof, then you lose the argument because you’d have to admit you’re wrong.”  Isn’t argument all based on opinion, anyway?  I mean, if nobody had opinions or beliefs, then why argue?  The facts can speak for themselves.  It is in the interpretation of those facts that they differ.  Do you have undeniable proof that ANY religion is correct?  Remember, you cannot use opinions or beliefs to back up your claims, nor can you use anything that is based on opinions or beliefs (like the Bible).  Without that undeniable proof, then by your own argument neither of us has a leg to stand on.

    Just because God has left does not mean that I have made a God of myself.  God is still God, and I respect that He is such.  I believe that He created this world as a place for us to enjoy life and marvel in His Creation, yet He wisely chose not to interfere so that the course of our history would be in our own hands, very similar to the prime directive on Star Trek.  If I am a god unto myself, then that is because God has made it such.  However, the term “god” is relative, because what a god really is is someone who is so much more powerful than us that we worship Him, because if we are not on good terms with Him he could destroy us.  Therefore, if I am a god unto myself, but I still believe that God is all powerful, then I cannot be a god, because I am still the inferior being.  You also said that you believe in having the freedom to choose for ourselves what is right (to worship, or in terms of Biblical interpretation), and this is basically the same thing, which means that you also believe you are a God unto yourself, by your own words.

    How can we truly have freedom of choice if God is meddling in all of our decisions, forcing the outcomes to go in the direction he wants?  If He does intervene, then we cannot be held fully responsible for the consequences of our actions, because God also played a part.  Therefore, sin itself cannot be fully our responsibility, and therefore we cannot be destined for Hell.  That is one of the many places where Christianity contradicts itself.  A just god who intervenes in our lives cannot also condemn us for the bad things we do, if the decisions and outcomes were influenced by things He did.

    About rules and regulations, I probably should have rephrased that.  What I meant was that you should not follow a set of rules and regulations BECAUSE somebody else said they are right.  You need to determine for yourself what is right and wrong, no matter what other people say.  This puts you in a conundrum.  If you agree with me, saying that right and wrong is all what you believe, then you are condoning moral relativism and saying that there are no standards for right and wrong.  This means that the Bible cannot be held as a standard, and the whole basis for Christianity withers away, and thus we are gods unto ourselves.  If you disagree with me, saying that we must define right and wrong by the interpretations, writings, and wisdom of others, then how are we different from robots?  If all of our actions should be dictated to us by scholars, elders, and religious leaders, then what is the point of witnessing (for you as a Christian), what is the point of searching for the truth, and what is the point of even being here anymore?  Christianity is thus no longer a voluntary religion; instead, it has been forced upon us by people who have drilled into us that it is correct.  According to your argument, you also cannot allow a mix of the two, because you said that it is a logical fallacy to hold to standards while also admitting that in personal exploration you might find something else to be right.

    Anyway, I just thought I’d respond to your post, Joe.  I think open, honest debate can be very insightful, and not just to the debaters, but to the audience as well.

    Lol…that post ended up not being that much shorter than yours.

  • God, I LOVE Albert Pujols!!!  2 on, 2 out, top of the ninth, Cards down 2, and Pujols hits it out.  WOOHOO!!!

  • Load up on guns
    Bring your friends
    It’s fun to
    lose
    And to pretend
    She’s overboard
    Myself assured
    I know I
    know
    A dirty word

    With the lights out it’s less
    dangerous
    Here we are now
    Entertain us
    I feel stupid and
    contagious
    Here we are now
    Entertain us
    A mulatto
    An albino
    A
    mosquito
    My libido
    Yea

    I’m worse at what I do best
    And for this
    gift I feel blessed
    Our little group has always been
    And always will until
    the end

    With the lights out it’s less
    dangerous
    Here we are now
    Entertain us
    I feel stupid and
    contagious
    Here we are now
    Entertain us
    A mulatto
    An albino
    A
    mosquito
    My libido
    Yea

    And I forget
    Just what it takes
    And
    yet I guess it makes me smile
    I found it hard
    Its hard to find
    Oh well,
    whatever, nevermind

    With the lights out it’s less
    dangerous
    Here we are now
    Entertain us
    I feel stupid and
    contagious
    Here we are now
    Entertain us
    A mulatto
    An albino
    A
    mosquito
    My libido
    Yea

    RIP Kurt Cobain.