April 28, 2009

  • Abandoning the Search

    This post is very difficult for me to write.  This is the second edition of it, and even it has gone through massive edits to get into this form.  This is a topic that I have been thinking long and hard about for awhile, particularly the last few days, and it is something I feel I just need to get off my chest.  So please bear with me as I write it.

    Ever since I started asking questions, and particularly when I left my faith, I thought the religious questions were so important to me, the fear of Hell so strong, that I would never think there could be anything more important.  The religious questions seemed to consume me, causing me much frustration as I searched and came back with only dead ends and more questions.  I would lose much sleep at nights, obsessing about them constantly in my head, reading books on the subject, and constantly feeling I had to have an answer in case I were to die that night.  I poured everything of myself into the search (all I had left after I lost so many people in my life), desperately wanting to find answers to the questions yet none seemed to ever come.  But I was afraid to give up the search, fearing that not having the right answers would doom me to Hell, and so I kept up a futile search for answers I never felt I would receive.  As much effort as I put into it, as much pain as it caused me, I never thought something else could possibly come anywhere close to matching the priority of the religious questions.

    All this time though, tangled up all the way through it were the issues I was dealing with regarding my emotions, particularly love.  I lost a fiancee over the religious questions, and losing her was always constantly a part of my internal struggle.  I don’t really feel I have had many opportunities at love; in fact, I feel that was the only opportunity I really had.  And I don’t really know if she even really loved me, after leaving me like she did after she found out I was no longer a Christian.  So there is a part of me that feels like I have never tasted love at all, or merely just a drop of it.  More than four years have passed since those events took place, and I haven’t come anywhere close to tasting it again.  Call me a romantic, but my spirit cries out to experience true love, my heart aches to have someone to hold close to me so I can show her just how much she means to me.  Every time I think about this, not only do I have the frustration over not having it and lose sleep over it, the symptoms seem to be much, much worse.  Whenever I think about how much I so want to have love, it also makes me physically ill so that I can’t eat, makes it so that I sleep only an hour or two a night (if that) and makes it so that I can’t focus on anything else besides that topic through all of my waking moments.  Comparing these two obsessions side by side, it seems the obsession that is much more important to me is the obsession over love, the one that is causing more problems.  Now I am sure hormones play a part in my longing for love, but I am sure my survival instinct also plays a part in my fear of Hell, so I still have to say that love clearly is the need with the higher priority for me.

    Thinking about it all, I have come to realize that my search for religious answers is at a standstill, and may be at a standstill for the rest of my life.  I have been doing what I can, but very little progress (if any) seems to have been made.  I know I have been afraid of dying without the answers, fearing I would be doomed for Hell, which drove me to find the answers.  But even with all of this motivation to find answers, all of this obsessing and stressing out about it, my rational side tells me that it is HIGHLY unlikely that I will ever find any answers, anyway.  So it makes me wonder what the point of the search really is.  I will never find any answers if I give up on the search (at least not through the traditional means), but if I continue the search I most likely will not either (and I will spend the rest of my life obsessing and stressing and end up giving myself an aneurysm or heart attack).  When I think about it that way, I actually feel a sense of peace over where I am at, because I know this will likely be where I am at the rest of my life.  So there is no use stressing out over it.  Why not instead spend the time on something more productive, such as enjoying life?  Love is so much more important to me, anyway, so perhaps I should spend my time and energy on that (something that I could actually accomplish) rather than wasting it on a futile effort.

    I am wanting to abandon (or at least suspend indefinitely) my active search for religious answers.  I will still keep an open mind about it, and I will read sources I find interesting as I come across them, but I will no longer actively pursue it for the time being.  I am just going to call myself firmly agnostic, admitting that I can’t possibly ever know the answers, and move on with my life.  If a loving god does exist, surely that God wouldn’t want me to keep wasting my life, and surely that God would want me to at least get some joy out of life.  After all, that God gave me these desires of my heart, so surely he/she it would want me to act on them, and to find that special person he/she/it created for me.  And who knows?  Perhaps in the process of searching for love I may find answers to the religious questions in a way that I never expected before.

    I have many Christian friends and family (including many of my readers) that will not approve of this, saying that I need to keep searching.  In their belief, I am doomed for Hell and so I shouldn’t stop searching as long as I am not a Christian (of course, when I am Christian I suppose it is okay for me to stop then?).  But I have done all I can do, in my opinion, and there just comes a point where one has to let go of the past and move on with life.  I am going to start pursuing what (or who) I want in life, because I feel that will complete me and give my life meaning.  Besides, if those people really do care for me then wouldn’t they want me to feel good about my life?  Plus, when I do meet the love of my life (which will hopefully happen before too long) I want to be able to give her all of me rather than force her to share it with this other part that consumes so much of my energy and attention.  That is the kind of lover I am, and I feel the love of my life deserves nothing less than that.

    If you are still reading this, I thank you.  A lot of time and thought went into this, and I do feel quite a bit relieved now.  I also am feeling at peace with this decision, which is the first time I have felt any semblance of peace in many years.  Yet this is still a major decision for me, a major life change, and so I am sure the road may not be easy.  If you do have any comments or suggestions about it (or merely just encouragement) it definitely will help.

    Thank you for reading.  It means a lot to me.

    *EDIT:  I don’t know how many of you read my post about “E-mail Propaganda,” but some more has happened with that story in relation to this.  I replied to the relative who talked about stopping people from spreading lies, particularly lies about the Bible.  I had never been able to stand up to her about what I believe, but I finally was able to tell her that I am no longer a Christian and gave her my reasons for it.  I asked her some of the tough questions about the Bible and God, and how my conscience was unable to reconcile them.

    That was a week ago, and I hadn’t received any response.  Then I got a letter in the snail mail from her yesterday.  It had a little note saying something about how I had asked questions that she couldn’t answer, but perhaps this little booklet (a tract that she included) would help.  She didn’t say anything else to try and persuade me (though I am sure she has been praying), just said that she still loved me.  I read the booklet, and it of course just rehashed the same tired Christian arguments that have pushed me away from the beginning.  My initial response was to be angry, but that was quickly replaced by a peculiar sense of peace.  This was one of the relatives I was afraid of angering (probably the one I feared the most, actually), but her telling me she still loved me really made me feel better.  That and the fact that I did read the tract (trying to be as open-minded as possible), and it only made me more sure that I didn’t believe it.

    So I think I really am moving on from it, which really gives me a lot of inner peace about this decision.

Comments (23)

  • Besides, if those people really do care for me then wouldn’t they want me to feel good about my life?

    Well, the thing you’re forgetting is that if the bible’s true, what good is it for people to want you to feel good about your life if you end up in hell? So, since they really do care for you, they don’t want you to end up there. But in saying all that, they need to allow you to make your own decisions.

  • I don’t think you’ve dropped anything. Your search is genuine and this the reward: to take it to the next level.

    Love.

    You said it yourself.

    That will only lead to the next great question. And. You will always be a Christian. I like to say this glibly, but only because it’s funny that way in its truth.

    As a Christian (Protestant, anyway) you have the right to choose whether or not you believe you can lose your salvation. This is a legitimate theological discussion – and so inherently absurd because it relies on faith, the reason-killer. But, technically you can go either way and not fall into heresy. So…

    Relax.

  • I think that you are right to start living your life. You can worry and fear all you want, but has it accomplished anything for you so far? I’m just going to take a stab in the dark and say that it hasn’t.

    Life has order and logic, but it doesn’t always make sense to us from our perspective.
    But there is truth that exists. One of these truths is that in life you need to work for what you want. It seems like a cruel concept but the truth isn’t always pretty. If you seek love, ask yourself what you can offer in return. Do you need to work on your social skills? Do you need to work on your physical appearance? Do you need to work on finding your inner peace and confidence? In other words what are you going offer the other person? Chances are you probably already have plenty to offer, you just have to figure out what those things are.

    Everything in life is a trade.
    You trade love for love
    Money for goods
    Time and effort for money
    Friendship for friendship

    There is not one person in the world who is just for you. There are thousands or more. You have the capacity to love more then one person in life. Love is not a magical fantasy thing where there is one person for everyone preselected and we just have to find each other. It doesn’t work that way. I’m sure you’re already realizing that. If you’re waiting for a miracle, you’re going to be waiting for a long time.

    As for death and hell. We’re all going to die, the only thing you can do right now is live your life and live it the best you know how. We are all characters in a story and the great writer, like all writers, loves all of his characters. They all play their part.

  • I’ve been and have been working through this as well.  I’ve abandoned what faith I had in the thought of Hell and I don’t think it exists.  I don’t believe the bible is “True” anymore.  I’m not sure I ever did because I never got the Bible beat into me. 

    What you’re receiving from your family sounds like fear.  They are trying to scare you into believing what they do.

    And I honestly think thats what “Hell” ever existed for in the first place.

    I honestly think it’s stupid to rely so much on a document that is so incredibly old, that translation and interpretation has gotten flawed through time.  

    I’ve turned to what seems more true to me, which is science.  While I still believe in God, I really have a lot of respect for the Earth and I study it and my life feels more… fulfilling, I could say.  

    Because, things make more sense to me.  

    I did turn to reincarnation, however, and if you would like to read my post on it, it is here.

    The most basic way I can explain why I believe in reincarnation is that we are meant to have certain experiences… things happen for a reason.  But really its more complicated than that and it would really require more than a whole blog post to describe how I feel about it. 

    Don’t worry about this.  It’s healthy to question your faith.  Really.  Its an open mind, that really sets you free.  Not a closed mind, and sticking it in the sand.

    Good luck in your journey, wherever you find it takes you.  :)

  • i’ve been searching for religious answers too… and i don’t know why.. but right now i feel so overwhelmed with everything.. i haven’t been as faithful to my search as I would like… *sigh* i wish you the best of luck.

  • @musterion99 - But since there is no way of knowing whether or not Hell exists, I could waste my whole life and give myself serious health problems through worrying about it.  If Hell does exist and I am doomed there, then that is all the more reason for me to enjoy what I can from this life.  I understand they say some of the things they say out of “love,” but I think one of the greatest ways of showing love is by showing respect, respect for my beliefs and feelings.  And I don’t mean to tear my family down too much; it has been bad in the past, but healing is finally starting to happen, I think.

    @dirtbubble - Lol…that’s a whole new argument entirely.  Though I used to believe in the whole “once saved, always saved” idea, so perhaps I have nothing to fear.  Of course, Christians who believe that always tell me I wasn’t really Christian, because obviously nobody who was really a Christian would reject it, right?  They just don’t want to sit next to a heathen in Heaven.

    @roxics - I couldn’t agree with you more.  I think one of the most important things in life is getting what we can out of it, and helping others to do the same.  I also do think I have quite a few qualities to potentially offer someone in return.  And I do tend to be romantic, thinking that there is that one special person out there for me, but my realistic side says there are probably multiple people who could theoretically fit.  Of course, then I might find out I’m polyamorous too.  But whether or not there is one person for me, I still do have to find that person, so it still requires effort on my part.

    @x_Butterflies_and_Hurricanes_x - I can’t agree more that Hell is entirely a fear tactic, trying to get people to be frightened into converting and/or to be too frightened to leave.  It is very effective.  Trust me, I believed it for 23 years and am still working on recovering from it.  I was raised believing it existed, personally believed it for awhile after that, and now it is just hard to shake the idea that I might be doomed for (anyone’s) Hell.

    I do put a lot of stock into science, just because it actually takes evidence and arrives at conclusions, rather than deciding on a conclusion and finding evidence to support that conclusion.  Though I also know there are things we can’t explain, but there were things that were explained away by gods millennia ago for which we have perfectly good scientific explanations for now.

    I don’t know if I believe in reincarnation or not.  I can definitely see the benefits of it, and I can also see how it would make sense.  Humanity progresses over time, so it makes sense that there might be some additional influence (as in, past lives) to help guide us along.  Your post sounds interesting.  I will have to read it and see what I think.

  • @phoenixspirit19 - I have felt like you have for a long time.  But, as I said in my post, I think I have finally found some peace, and I feel ready to move on with my life.  It feels really good to have that peace, something I haven’t felt since I started having the questions back in my teens.

  • @gsmith03 - I understand that but you missed the point of my comment in response to the comment that I quoted from you. I wasn’t speaking about what you believe about hell. I was explaining the response of your Christian friends and that they really do care about you because they believe in hell. Yes they need to respect your feelings and you need to understand that they love you enough that they don’t want you in hell. Believe me, I understand the problems this can cause. Again, I was responding to the comment that I quoted you on.

  • @musterion99 - I understand what you’re saying.  That is one of the big things I have battled with them on.  I know they love me, which is why they do it, but it doesn’t really help.  I am trying to think about it like you, that they are only doing it because they care, but when it’s constantly being rubbed in my face (often at really rough times, especially) it is often hard to see it that way.

  • @x_Butterflies_and_Hurricanes_x - I honestly think it’s stupid to rely so much
    on a document that is so incredibly old, that translation and
    interpretation has gotten flawed through time.

    Reincarnation isn’t substantiated any more than the bible. So, why isn’t it stupid to believe in reincarnation?

  • @gsmith03 - Yeah, I can understand what you’re saying. It’s hard to reconcile both views. I’m a Christian and I’ve learned to do it with my family who aren’t Christians. They already know what I believe, so I don’t push it on them. I just let them ask me questions when they want to know something. It’s worked out pretty good.

  • @musterion99 - I can respect that.  It gets it out there and shows that you care without being pushy.  It’s not like you’re sending them tracts in their birthday cards or something (and yes, my relatives have done that).

  • @musterion99 - Thats a good argument.  If you read the post I linked above you can understand why I believe in reincarnation.

    I believe in reincarnation because to me it just makes more sense and the way I believe it explains a lot of questions for me. 

    I don’t know if its right either, certainly, but to me, when I learned about Buddhism in a world religion class, some things just made more sense to me, it was sort of like…. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh….

    But even the process to how I came to believe in reincarnation was a journey.  When I first learned it, I just thought, thats a really different and interesting way to view things.   The more I thought about it, the more I heard about it, little snippits of every day life, big life questions, to me seemed to fit better and better into the equation of reincarnation than they did for “we just go straight to heaven or we go straight to hell”  Not even pergatory makes more sense than reincarnation to me.

    I guess what I’m saying is, I sort of put both sides through a scientific “peer review” and I threw out an old theory in place of a new one. 

  • @x_Butterflies_and_Hurricanes_x - Many more people have already lived than are alive right now. So where are those people?

  • @musterion99 - I imagine she would probably say they reached nirvana.  It certainly makes sense, especially when you read her post about reincarnation.

  • @musterion99 - well some of them made it to heaven.  And some of them are living another life right now.  The way I believe it. 

    And it’s not “people” exactly.  It’s their soul.  And I don’t really think our soul has a memory that can connect with our mind.  It only has a memory of what that soul has been through. 

  • @x_Butterflies_and_Hurricanes_x - But where are the souls of those that aren’t in heaven and aren’t living right now?

  • @musterion99 - From what I’ve read, it’s not really a “where”.  It’s more of an in-between state.

    It’s not generally thought that people reincarnate right away after their death.  So where/when/what are they in that interim period?  Different people have different takes on that.  Probably the only ones who know for sure are the ones who are “there”… wherever/whenever/whatever that may be.

  • Great post, gsmith03.  I really related to a lot of what you had to say.  I struggle all the time with “the search”.

    But it’s not like I have anything better to do than contemplate the mysteries of the universe… 

  • Well, I am happy that you’re feeling more peaceful.  I guess a part of me does want you to keep searching, but on the other hand, it’s terrible to see you so unhappy.  I have my doubts about whether you will ever truly leave it behind, but if you can do so to a point where you can relax and not stress, that will be good.  I won’t quit praying, but now my prayer will be slightly different.  If God isn’t finished with you, he’ll make it clear someday, I’m sure.

  • Good for you — although I’d suggest that focusing on living with love isn’t a turning away from the search, but a different pursuit. I don’t think any sort of faith should be based on fear. I’ve always taken strong issue on folks who use fear as a form of conversion to anything.

    I’m really glad you have found a sense of peace, and I truly hope this new step in your life journey leads you to good things. I know you’ll keep us updated!

  • This is an extremely unhelpful comment: I’ve come to believe that, in regards to religion, ignorance is bliss.

    I can’t really explain that, except to say that I refuse to believe a benevolent, omnipotent being would punish anyone who lived a good life for his or her inability to profess belief in the unknown.

  • Hello,

    I understand the continuous sharp ache that is to search for something that can only be accepted by a personal standard you don’t even really fully understand in yourself. I too have lost soo many hours, days, weeks, months of sleep, of eating, laughing, joy, well-being for my spiritual search, but alas I have found peace for myself after I had finally admitted to myself an atheist. Despite this, I still refused to be trapped by finality in thought or judgment. I told myself to be open to whatever life would present to me. This all started because my boyfriend broke up with me because I was much more involved into the Catholic faith than he was or planned to be, this of course devasted me and threw me into spiritual chaos. I talked to 5 five priests, a doctor psychologist, did my own searching in chat rooms, stories, etc. Where I thought I was going to receive the least amount of peace is where I found the most. When I went to talk to the priests, I told them the doubts and criticizisms I had of the church, and I thought I knew the typical things they would respond with but no, their replies humbled me and even bring tears to my eyes now. They told me that no matter what I decide and how much others disagree with me, that God is loving none the less. That if no one respects my choice, God will. That if I felt I needed to leave the church, to do so. That it is misconceived that Man finds God, but that is is actually God who seeks us, often when we don’t expect it.  So I left my church…and after a couple months, through different experiences I have gained a little bit of my former faith…I think most people have the idea that it’s all or nothing but that doesn’t make sense. Everything starts with a little something. I am curious to what your questions are though, not to try to prove you wrong or anything, just curious. I am always looking for a stimulating conversation, but I also know talking about the same thing over and over gets tiresome. Live life and life will give you what you need.

    These are three quotes that I think are universally useful and true:

    “The unexamined life is not worth living”- Socrates

    “Seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.”
    Saint Augustine

    “This is the very perfection of a man, to find out his own imperfections.”
    Saint Augustine

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